I originally come from CT., which is a shall issue state. NJ is a may issue state, and to be honest, I don't know of one person who actually has a CCW permit, unless they were involved in some sort of law enforcement.
Please try to refrain from your opinions on the second amendment and why we should have gun restrictions. My mind is made up probably just as much as yours.
I'm just wondering if anyone, other than law enforcement (or celebrities) have been issued CCW permits, and if so, how did you do it!?
I don't know anyone who has one that was either not a cop or employed as security for someone with connections.
NJGOAT, I believe that for the most part, NJ is more so a restricted state, rather than a shall issue state. In talking with friends, most of them being pro-gun, they do not know anyone with a CCW permit.
Unless you're wealthy, politically connected, or better yet both, it's not going to happen. I wouldn't apply either because you will be denied, then if you apply for a permit anywhere else you'll have to disclose that at some point you were denied a carry permit. There has been some political movement on this lately, but nothing major. Even supposedly fearless Chris Christie who is even touching the 3rd rail of abortion these days has danced around addressing New Jersey's draconian, ineffective, incoherent, and backwards gun laws.
Well, the trend on the national level is surprisingly more pro-gun rights since the 80s, so maybe we can hold out hope on this archaic system being overturn.
I have no desire to attempt to apply for the permit for the reason you mentioned. I might try to get a non-resident permit in some other state, I'm just not sure how easy that will be. Probably depends on the state.
I know directly of 3 people who have them. The company I used to work for is a large trucking conglomerate based in NJ and they have an in house security force. The two security folks were both retired NJ State Troopers, one of whom was a captain. They both had CCW permits and carried guns on them at all times. The other gentleman was the owners private guard/chauffer who was a retired Philadelphia detective and he also had a permit and was armed at all times.
Like I said, it's all about who you are/were and who you know.
All three of those people being retired police can carry in NJ with a permit, that is easy for them to get.
An average person would have to know the judge they are going in front of to get that CCW after they have completed all the other requirements. Unless you hold some weight in NJ a judge is not going to stick his neck out there for any average citizen.
SAF and the NRA-ILA are already suing NJ for its "may issue" law and Sen. Drew has already put up bills to make NJ a Shall issue state. Things are happening, but don't expect to see it anytime soon.
Right, as long as the trend continues, I think NJ will eventually become a shall issue state, but it could be more than five years.
Far as I know almost all cannot get conceal carry permit/license. Few that do are retired law enforcement or say pilots who need to carry on planes.
I'll give u mine, as i hate carrying it. LOL. Don't feel bad I have over 30 years of LE experience and when I applied for a new handgun permit a couple of years ago the local police chief broke my balls royally. Only in NJ.
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TRENTON, NJ Obtaining a firearm in NJ the legal way is wrought with delay.
New Jersey residents that are seeking to obtain a Firearms ID (FID) or a Permit to Purchase a Handgun (P2P) have been experiencing an extraordinary delay. Due to the COVID pandemic, as well as rioting and calls to defund the Police, many people have become concerned with keeping themselves and their family safe. NJ FID’s and P2P’s are supposed to take a maximum of 30 days to be approved, however, even with the change to the new NJ FARS (Firearms Application & Registration System), applications are taking much longer than the mandated 30 day time period.
by Nick Wong for Black Wire Media
With the NJ FARS system, the state-run background check took exactly 30 days, after which the whole application gets sent to your local Police Department (or closest NJ State Police Barracks) for further investigation. We contacted our local Police Department a week after the NJ FARS Background check was completed, and were told that there are 8 additional checks that have to be done (Juvenile records, Domestic Violence, Family Court, and more). The Police Dept. representative also stated that they received a year’s worth of FID/PP Applications in the past few months, and other police departments have confirmed the same in their own townships.
As of today, the time waiting for the author’s submitted application to be cleared through the system is over 50 days.
To add additional fuel to the fire, the redundant NJ NICS Checks AT POINT OF SALE (your FFLs gun counter) are taking an extra period of business days, apparently due to a “significant increase in requests” as per the NJ NICS website. So – once your 50+ day waiting period is over, you still have to wait an extra week to take possession of your firearm AFTER youve purchased it – that’s coming up on over 2 months of a waiting period!
If Im NOT a first-time gun buyer, and Ive been collecting & shooting for YEARS, is it conceivable I would commit a felony with a firearm Im just buying and waiting MONTHS to REGISTER & possess? Making someone like me undergo a background check (and thereby clog the NICS portal further by increasing the backlog) should STOP with transfer number xxx Dave Rosenthal, Shootist
The sheer amount of redundancy required to obtain a Firearms ID and purchase a firearm the legal way is causing an undue amount of burden on the residents of New Jersey. This is especially concerning due to the reports that (illegal) gun violence is on the rise here in NJ and nearby New York City. Shooting deaths in NJ have risen 19%, however the numbers have not been released on how many of these are suicides. Governor Phil Murphy stated in a recent press conference that “We are probably as good a shape in terms of gun safety as any American state, it just goes to show you it’s still out there.” Does this not mean that overly redundant checks as well as the antiquated, overburdened and un-scalable NJ Firearms ID system is completely unnecessary?
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