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I originally come from CT., which is a shall issue state. NJ is a may issue state, and to be honest, I don't know of one person who actually has a CCW permit, unless they were involved in some sort of law enforcement.

Please try to refrain from your opinions on the second amendment and why we should have gun restrictions. My mind is made up probably just as much as yours.

I'm just wondering if anyone, other than law enforcement (or celebrities) have been issued CCW permits, and if so, how did you do it!?
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I don't know anyone who has one that was either not a cop or employed as security for someone with connections.

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NJGOAT, I believe that for the most part, NJ is more so a restricted state, rather than a shall issue state. In talking with friends, most of them being pro-gun, they do not know anyone with a CCW permit.

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I'm just wondering if anyone, other than law enforcement (or celebrities) have been issued CCW permits, and if so, how did you do it!?
Unless you're wealthy, politically connected, or better yet both, it's not going to happen. I wouldn't apply either because you will be denied, then if you apply for a permit anywhere else you'll have to disclose that at some point you were denied a carry permit. There has been some political movement on this lately, but nothing major. Even supposedly fearless Chris Christie who is even touching the 3rd rail of abortion these days has danced around addressing New Jersey's draconian, ineffective, incoherent, and backwards gun laws.
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Unless you're wealthy, politically connected, or better yet both, it's not going to happen. I wouldn't apply either because you will be denied, then if you apply for a permit anywhere else you'll have to disclose that at some point you were denied a carry permit. There has been some political movement on this lately, but nothing major. Even supposedly fearless Chris Christie who is even touching the 3rd rail of abortion these days has danced around addressing New Jersey's draconian, ineffective, incoherent, and backwards gun laws.

Well, the trend on the national level is surprisingly more pro-gun rights since the 80s, so maybe we can hold out hope on this archaic system being overturn.

I have no desire to attempt to apply for the permit for the reason you mentioned. I might try to get a non-resident permit in some other state, I'm just not sure how easy that will be. Probably depends on the state.
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NJGOAT, I believe that for the most part, NJ is more so a restricted state, rather than a shall issue state. In talking with friends, most of them being pro-gun, they do not know anyone with a CCW permit.

I know directly of 3 people who have them. The company I used to work for is a large trucking conglomerate based in NJ and they have an in house security force. The two security folks were both retired NJ State Troopers, one of whom was a captain. They both had CCW permits and carried guns on them at all times. The other gentleman was the owners private guard/chauffer who was a retired Philadelphia detective and he also had a permit and was armed at all times.

Like I said, it's all about who you are/were and who you know.
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I know directly of 3 people who have them. The company I used to work for is a large trucking conglomerate based in NJ and they have an in house security force. The two security folks were both retired NJ State Troopers, one of whom was a captain. They both had CCW permits and carried guns on them at all times. The other gentleman was the owners private guard/chauffer who was a retired Philadelphia detective and he also had a permit and was armed at all times.

Like I said, it's all about who you are/were and who you know.

All three of those people being retired police can carry in NJ with a permit, that is easy for them to get.

An average person would have to know the judge they are going in front of to get that CCW after they have completed all the other requirements. Unless you hold some weight in NJ a judge is not going to stick his neck out there for any average citizen.

SAF and the NRA-ILA are already suing NJ for its "may issue" law and Sen. Drew has already put up bills to make NJ a Shall issue state. Things are happening, but don't expect to see it anytime soon.
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All three of those people being retired police can carry in NJ with a permit, that is easy for them to get.

An average person would have to know the judge they are going in front of to get that CCW after they have completed all the other requirements. Unless you hold some weight in NJ a judge is not going to stick his neck out there for any average citizen.

SAF and the NRA-ILA are already suing NJ for its "may issue" law and Sen. Drew has already put up bills to make NJ a Shall issue state. Things are happening, but don't expect to see it anytime soon.

Right, as long as the trend continues, I think NJ will eventually become a shall issue state, but it could be more than five years.
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Far as I know almost all cannot get conceal carry permit/license. Few that do are retired law enforcement or say pilots who need to carry on planes.

Bottom-line is, what did you do and who you know to hook you up. Otherwise you are in trouble. Best way to find out is to contact NRA. I believe NRA has division that lets people know what state allows conceal carry and where they can get permit/license for it.

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I'll give u mine, as i hate carrying it. LOL. Don't feel bad I have over 30 years of LE experience and when I applied for a new handgun permit a couple of years ago the local police chief broke my balls royally. Only in NJ.

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Just looking for some insight, and yes I will follow up to find out what is fact.

My wife's company has a yearly meeting in Atlantic city , provided it doesn't get canceled do to covid

My question is (I live in Indiana) can I bring into the state a s&w bodyguard (6 round clip) unloaded in case, ammo in locked case and separate, take gun into my hotel room where it will stay until I leave and then leave in the same manner, is that legal?

I do have a cc permit in Indiana but I know New Jersey doesn't honor it, thanks


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You are not even allowed to posses a steel trap in NJ. If you want to keep your pet pea shooter, I wouldn't take it to that crap hole.

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You are not even allowed to posses a steel trap in NJ. If you want to keep your pet pea shooter, I wouldn't take it to that crap hole.

PM Newt. He should know the rules.




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Why does it got to be called a (pet pea shooter)? It's the only one I got that meets their clip size restrictions. Lmao

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Just rattling your chain a little, no offence intended. wink

I don't know if you are at all familiar with the works of the author, Robert Ruark, but one of his great books is titled "Use Enough Gun".


Now if you had mentioned a auto, I would take the gloves off. That particular trinket does not even rate as high as a pea shooter. sick


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You can transport a firearm THROUGH NJ and are protected by the Federal Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA). You must be traveling from a place where you can "possess and carry" to a place where you can "possess and carry" your firearm for FOPA to apply. The gun must be cased, unloaded, ammo "separate" from the firearm, and outside of the passenger compartment. There is a list of banned firearms and you can't possess hollow point bullets - don't bring these, even if you're covered by FOPA. NJ Cops don't know FOPA and will arrest you. Your attorney will have to prove in court that the federal law protected you - after you've spend a lot of time in jail waiting for trial.

You can not bring a firearm INTO NJ. The rules for transporting long guns and handguns are different. Since you asked about handguns: You can transport only between your home, stationary place of business, the gun shop, and a licensed shooting range. All other transport of a handgun is illegal in NJ. If I take a handgun to my parent's farm to shoot cans, it's a felony. The gun must be transported "unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.”

NJ does not recognize any other state's carry permits and does not issue it's own. Officially, NJ has a carry permit but nobody ever gets one. We don't know who has the permits but only about are issued each year, they are valid for 2 years. That means about % of the population has one. The speculation is that most of these are armed security guards. Those permits limit the hours of carry to working hours only. We've had security guards with permits arrested for transporting their guns home from their job.

Google "Shaneen Allen". She had a carry permit in PA and didn't know about NJ's laws. When pulled over on the way to her kid's birthday party, she voluntarily told the NJ trooper that she had a carry permit and had a firearm in her purse. She was arrested and the prosecutor was pushing for 3 years in prison. After a huge public outcry, she was let into a pre-trial intervention program and did not do any time.

There was a guy from UTAH that was flying to (I forget the state). He had a stopover in the Newark Airport. His connecting flight was cancelled and the airline put him up in a hotel for the night. He picked up his luggage and took it to the hotel - including the firearm he had declared at the airport in UTAH. The next morning, he returned to the airport to get on his connecting flight and declared his firearm again. He was arrested for possessing a firearm in NJ.

I was involved in one of the NJ pro-gun organizations for a while. We have several arrests every year of people from other states who don't know NJ's laws and just assume a carry permit is good in every state like a drivers license. It used to be that a lot of cops would know this problem, tell you lock it in your trunk and don't stop until you get to the border. With body cams and body mics, cops have to follow the rule book. We're seeing a lot more arrests.

Stay away.



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So if I read that correctly I could skirt the law by bringing my gun into the state and taking it directly to a gun shop to get it cleaned and then pick it up from the gun shop on my way home and leave the state. Does anyone see a flaw in that way of thinking?


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So if I read that correctly I could skirt the law by bringing my gun into the state and taking it directly to a gun shop to get it cleaned and then pick it up from the gun shop on my way home and leave the state. Does anyone see a flaw in that way of thinking?



Maybe.

2C (e). Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair.For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location.

This is subsection g:
NJSA 2C (g) "All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.”

Get the wrong cop and the wrong prosecutor and they will comb the law to look for a way to charge you. If you come from a hotel in OH, you won't be transporting "between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired". Nobody can believe it but NJ is not like the rest of America - not even close when it comes to guns. And, this week SCOTUS just refused to hear a couple of carry cases from NJ. We were really hoping from some relief from the courts but won't be getting any.

You might want to leave it at a gun shop in PA just before you cross the NJ line. Do you know what highway you'll be using to cross from PA into NJ, I know several PA gun shops and I'm not far from Atlantic City.


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I would skirt the law by staying home and not going to New Jersey at all. Keep your wife at home where it's safe. No need to visit that rat hole. Make up some excuse.



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I live in PA and do a fair amount of work in NJ. I carry all the time here in PA and when I first started working in NJ I carried there too. I thought then and still do now that it is completely ridiculous that something perfectly legal in my state becomes a serious felony upon crossing the Delaware River.

A few years later one of the guys I work with in that state warned me of the consequences of getting caught with a handgun. I looked it up and now I leave my handgun at home when working there.

If arrested for a gun charge in New Jersey, you are facing some of the most serious gun laws in the country. For possession of an illegal handgun you are facing years in prison. Any single firearms offense in New Jersey carries a weight of a minimum of 5 years in state prison with 10 years being the maximum.



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I'm not saying you should so anything illegal, but there's plenty of hiding spots in a vehicle that a gun will fit in,that won't get searched unless you give an officer a really good reason to tear your vehicle apart. Do whatever you have to do to sleep comfortably at night is all I'm saying.


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Bring and wear your gun. BUT IF YOU GET COUGHT.YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.
May be you will get freed from jail. But not with out a Layer. Bottom line YOU WILL SPEND TIME IN JAIL.Till you see a judge.

I would'ent go to Atlantic City for ANYTHING. I SAID ANYTHING

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Newts got a point. We see all the time, a guy in vacation from Virginia has a carry permit and his legally purchased firearm in his car. Prosecutor tries to get 5 years in prison. Gang banger from Camden with a felony record uses a gun he bought illegally to commit an armed robbery and the prosecutor tries to get 18 months, they guy is on the street in 9 months.

If arrested for a gun charge in New Jersey, you are facing some of the most serious gun laws in the country. For possession of an illegal handgun you are facing years in prison. Any single firearms offense in New Jersey carries a weight of a minimum of 5 years in state prison with 10 years being the maximum.



I think illegal possession is /2 - 10 under the Graves Act. If you've got more than 10 rounds and hollow points, add a few more years to that.


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I'm struggling to understand. If you have your firearm concealed, on your person, in your vehicle or in your hotel room, how will anyone know you have it? Are you planning any activities that will involve law enforcement interaction? If you aren't engaging in any other criminal activity and aren't entering places with metal detectors and x ray machines, why would you even worry about it?


Plenty of cases of law abiding citizens getting caught with firearms. If you are in a traffic stop and the police find a reason to search your vehicle. If they ask you to step out, often times they will do a quick pat down. These are just two examples.


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Your wife should tell her company she does not feel safe going to NJ and will not be attending the annual meeting. There is no good reason to carry somewhere that you cannot use without prosecution unless you absolutely must go there.


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Atlantic City?, in this climate?, I don't think soHave your wife tell her company she may have been exposed to the virus and is not feeling well, then get an all clear test so she can go back to work


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If you should have to come to NJ tell them to make it in Ocean city, Beautiful there AC is a dump. No need to worry to have a gun there.



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